
Join Lucas Kitchen, Shawn Lazar, and Dane Allen as they engage in a lively and transparent podcast to discuss a core issue within Free Grace theology: the precise nature of the saving message. The central point of debate revolves around the phrase, "Believe in Jesus for eternal life." Shawn, who has been working on an article on the subject, shares his view that while it is a saving message, he does not believe it is the one and only essential or minimal saving message. Lucas expresses flexibility, using the phrase as a default but acknowledging that equivalent biblical phrasing exists. Dane aligns with the idea that the phrase serves as an accurate summary of Jesus's guarantee of an irrevocable, unending life, which he equates with eternal security. The discussion explores whether the saving message requires a belief in eternal security and how "eternal life" is defined, ultimately modeling how believers can engage in intelligent, healthy disagreement while affirming their shared belief in salvation by faith alone in Christ, apart from works, and the assurance of eternal security.

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Lucas Kitchen writes Christian fiction and nonfiction. He has written over twenty-five books, from Bible teaching, like Eternal Life and Salvation and Discipleship, to Christian sci-fi and fantasy, like Missionary To Mars and Isolation. He is the director of Free Grace International and the teaching pastor of The Pines Church in Longview, Texas. He hosts the More To The Story podcast, and his videos about Jesus and the faith have been viewed about 3.5 million times across platforms. He lives in Texas with his wife, four kids, and his scratch-addicted cats.
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